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The following dialogue was captured from the Carm forums: http://www.carm.org. This is the sixth part of a series of seven in this discussion.

You cannot now find this dialogue on the Carm forums because the forum administrator or owner: "Dr. Patti" claims that the forum was upgraded sometime ago and fell into problems in the process. It therefore lost its former messages.

Be prepared to examine very carefully the tactics used in this dialogue. It is hoped that you would be able to understand what is being said and done here. It is worth your while studying these things, for soon you will see your national leaders exercise these very same tactics as they push a mandate upon you that is contrary to our Constitutional system in order to secure CHANGE.

Here is part Six:

 

sndtrk2000 (79 posts) Click to EMail sndtrk2000 Click to send private message to sndtrk2000 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-28-01, 08:53 AM (GMT)
37. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
You got so wrapped up in praising Jesus that you never answered my question.
Let me help you focus on the question at hand:

Is Christ coming a literal second time, in the flesh to destroy this earth with fire?

Michael

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justme (72 posts) Click to EMail justme Click to send private message to justme Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-29-01, 09:17 PM (GMT)
49. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
>You got so wrapped up in praising Jesus that you never answered my question.

You are too funny

>Let me help you focus on the question at hand:

I think that to some, praising Jesus IS the issue at hand..

- Martin

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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-30-01, 09:35 AM (GMT)
57. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
Martin,
Michael's complaint:
>You got so wrapped up in praising Jesus that you never answered my question.

.. is the best compliment anyone has ever given me!

Good to see you back!
Thank you for your uplifting Jesus Christ and your devotion to Christ and His Salvation.

Grace and peace,
Patti

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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-28-01, 09:15 AM (GMT)
39. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"

Is Christ coming a literal second time, in the flesh to destroy this earth with fire?

"Eye hath not seen nor ear heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for them that love Him."

God's will will be done, Michael.
Who am I to try to define it down to the last detail?
After all, there were only a few who were "ready," who even recognized His first coming. Why do we think that we are any better?

After all, it really doesn't matter how things pan out. All that matters is that in the Day of the Lord (or in the day of our death), that we are found in Him. That is the bottom line.

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sndtrk2000 (79 posts) Click to EMail sndtrk2000 Click to send private message to sndtrk2000 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-31-01, 09:05 AM (GMT)
67. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
No one asked you about the last or even NEXT to last detail. I gave you a test that asked a rhetorical question and you STILL managed to get an F.

You don't even have to study it, reading the text (Revelation) in question, heck, even PORTIONS would have given you abundant information to answer the question correctly!

I am amazed you still choose to dodge the question.

And the day will come when they will say to me 'But Lord, what about all the times we praised your name, bought cookies from the girl scouts, and voted for George W. Bush?' and He will say to them, 'Depart from me, you evil doers, I never knew you.'

In Christ,
Michael

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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-31-01, 09:42 AM (GMT)
69. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
No one asked you about the last or even NEXT to last detail. I gave you a test that asked a rhetorical question and you STILL managed to get an F.

So, what part of my answer do you NOT agree with?

Do you think this is wrong:

"Eye hath not seen nor ear heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man the things that God has prepared for them that love Him."

Or is this the part you have a problem with:

God's will will be done, Michael.

Or this:
Who am I to try to define it down to the last detail?

Would you truly want me to define your beliefs for you?

Or is this the part you disagree with:
After all, there were only a few who were "ready," who even recognized His first coming. Why do we think that we are any better?

You throw around your barbs so freely, but you never speak in specifics. Nor do you use Scripture. So what is the problem you have with my words?

Do you disagree with this"

After all, it really doesn't matter how things pan out. All that matters is that in the Day of the Lord (or in the day of our death), that we are found in Him. That is the bottom line.

Please tell me what part of the above statement you disagree with!

You don't even have to study it, reading the text (Revelation) in question, heck, even PORTIONS would have given you abundant information to answer the question correctly!

I am amazed you still choose to dodge the question.

I did not dodge anything. My answer is:
I do not know exactly how things will all pan out in the very end of this world as we know it. But I know that whatever happens will be God's will, and it will be good and holy and righteous and just.

And the day will come when they will say to me 'But Lord, what about all the times we praised your name, bought cookies from the girl scouts, and voted for George W. Bush?' and He will say to them, 'Depart from me, you evil doers, I never knew you.'

How can you so glibly satirize the Scriptures?

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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-28-01, 09:12 AM (GMT)
38. "THANK YOU!"
You got so wrapped up in praising Jesus that you never answered my question.

LOL! Well, PARDON ME!
May that accusation always be made of me!

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tmac1238 (143 posts) Click to EMail tmac1238 Click to send private message to tmac1238 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-26-01, 10:08 AM (GMT)
30. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
Patti wrote:

>6 Therefore we are
>always confident and know that
>as long as we are
>at home in the body
>we are away from the
>Lord.

>7 We live
>by faith, not by sight.

>

She therefore sees a dead woman by the name of Ellen White produce books that are very profound! These books expose the Pope and we therefore have a problem.

Knowing thence that Christians work by faith and not by sight, she and her Mommy write literature and come on forums to demonstrate faith above sight. She then sees questions given to her by me that are just too hard to answer by an enemy of Christ. She then doesn't even relax, but she also threatens me with a lawsuit. When questioned about this, she demonstrates more fully that she has no conscience.

How does this faith work not by sight again? How do we destroy the influence of Ellen White again? How is this done? How do we get rid of Separation of Church and State again? We just relax in Christ and walk by faith? We don't do any WORK?!

Dr. Patti now teaches us:

>Do you know what "faith" is,
>Michael? Faith is the
>conviction (absolute belief) of things
>that we cannot see nor
>touch nor experience. If
>we can see, feel, touch
>or "experience" something, then it
>is not "of faith."
>

How then is Ellen White and the other Protestant heretics to be defeated? What WORK must we do? Why are we on these forums since we don't believe in WORKING!

Adventists say that they must WORK and give the message. Patti here ridicules them for it. Is Dr. Patti WORKING here?

What followed is Patti's misapplied scripture.

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David Conklin (1966 posts) Click to EMail David%20Conklin Click to send private message to David%20Conklin Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-26-01, 09:18 AM (GMT)
27. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
>While we are still in our
>sinful bodies, we know that
>we are physically away from
>the presence of God; but
>we know at the same
>time, because of the gift
>of the Spirit, that when
>we leave this sinful body
>behind, we will be present
>with the Lord.

So far so good.
===
>But,
>unfortunately, SDAs because of the
>unorthodox belief about "soul sleep,"
>cannot have the same confidence
>that Paul and Luther had,
>that to be away from
>the body was to be
>at home with the Lord.

Nonsense; we know that when we die time passes without our knowledge so it will seem to us ike we just fell asleep (in accordance with the picture of death that Jesus gives) and then we are awakened.
+++
Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it. - Henry Ford, Sr.

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justme (72 posts) Click to EMail justme Click to send private message to justme Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-29-01, 09:38 PM (GMT)
52. "RE: No, let's start with the Scriptures"
>>While we are still in our
>>sinful bodies, we know that
>>we are physically away from
>>the presence of God; but
>>we know at the same
>>time, because of the gift
>>of the Spirit, that when
>>we leave this sinful body
>>behind, we will be present
>>with the Lord.
>
>So far so good.
>===
>>But,
>>unfortunately, SDAs because of the
>>unorthodox belief about "soul sleep,"
>>cannot have the same confidence
>>that Paul and Luther had,
>>that to be away from
>>the body was to be
>>at home with the Lord.
>
>Nonsense;

What is?

> we know that when we
>die time passes without our
>knowledge so it will seem
>to us ike we just
>fell asleep

Scripture? in context please!

> (in accordance with
>the picture of death that
>Jesus gives) and then we
>are awakened.

Excuse me. "The PICTURE" of death? God did not know what was happening in the grave?


>+++
>Thinking is the hardest work there
>is, which is the probable
>reason why so few engage
>in it. - Henry Ford,
>Sr.

Seems so.

- Martin


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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-22-01, 08:11 AM (GMT)
5. "RE: The Time of the End"
When did the Apostles go line by line to unlock what the symbols meant.

The symbols meant Christ, Ted. It is all about Him.

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tmac1238 (143 posts) Click to EMail tmac1238 Click to send private message to tmac1238 Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-22-01, 08:48 AM (GMT)
6. "RE: The Time of the End"
One more time Patti, but since you are so sure that I'm Glenn, can I be sure that you work for the Papacy?

If it is all about Him, can you please break everything down for us that Christ wrote? What does 2300 days have to do with "HIM." Why was "HIM" sealed again away from us? What specifically does all this mean?

Dr. Patti, in your wonderful commitment for evangelism, when did you ever reveal "HIM" to your hearers by talking about 2300 days, sacrifices, sanctuaries and such like? And since Adventists reveal "HIM" in the same way He revealed Himself, why are you so obsessed with hatred of Adventism, Adventists and Ellen White?

Why did Christ reveal "HIM" through these prophecies when we have Matthew, Mark, Luke and John again, and you yourself don't reveal "HIM" using these prophecies? Why did Christ waste His time to give these prophecies because of your interpretation and other Antichristians? Why were these things written if you don't quote them or use them?

Why was "HIM" sealed again away from us? How was the unsealing done again? Show us line by line.

People who are even impervious to the threatenings of the scriptures are obviously people who do not rule their lives by it. Historically these were the inquisitors of the Dark Ages.

Are there any readers here who would finally want answers for what I am asking of this holder of a doctorate?

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DrPatti (1342 posts) Click to EMail DrPatti Click to send private message to DrPatti Click to view user profile Click to check IP address of the poster
08-22-01, 10:10 AM (GMT)
7. "RE: The Time of the End"
The law and the prophets--that is, the Old Testament--testified to the coming of Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been forcefully advancing, and forceful men lay hold of it.
13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.


Luke 16:16 "The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

Luke 24:44 "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."

John 1:45 Philip found Nathanael and told him, "We have found the one Moses wrote about in the Law, and about whom the prophets also wrote--Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."

John 5:39 You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me,
40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
41 "I do not accept praise from men,
42 but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts.
43 I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
44 How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God?
45 "But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.
46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.
47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?"


Acts 28:23 They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. From morning till evening he explained and declared to them the kingdom of God and tried to convince them about Jesus from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets.

Romans 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.

Matt. 26:55 At that time Jesus said to the crowd, "Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me.
56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Luke 1:67 His father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied:
68 "Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come and has redeemed his people.
69 He has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David
70 (as he said through his holy prophets of long ago),
71 salvation from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us--
72 to show mercy to our fathers and to remember his holy covenant,
73 the oath he swore to our father Abraham:
74 to rescue us from the hand of our enemies, and to enable us to serve him without fear
75 in holiness and righteousness before him all our days

Acts 3:17 "Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders.
18 But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer.
19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

24 "Indeed, all the prophets from Samuel on, as many as have spoken, have foretold these days.
25 And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, `Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'

Acts 10:42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead.
43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name."

Acts 13:26 "Brothers, children of Abraham, and you God-fearing Gentiles, it is to us that this message of salvation has been sent.
27 The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath.

Acts 26:21 That is why the Jews seized me in the temple courts and tried to kill me.
22 But I have had God's help to this very day, and so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. I am saying nothing beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen--
23 that the Christ would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would proclaim light to his own people and to the Gentiles."

Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God--
2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures
3 regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David,


1 Peter 1:9 for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care,
11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow.

2 Peter 1:18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.
19 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation.


It is all about Him.

Grace and peace,
Patti

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