Swill wrote:
The SDAs here are infiltrated Catholics.

Patti:
THAT, my dear Swill, is a LIE.

Remember those Ten Commandments that you purport to adore? Well, this is one of them that you must not have read yet:

"You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor."

Or do you not think that the Ninth Commandment is as important as the Fourth?

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>Swill wrote:
>The SDAs here are infiltrated Catholics.
>
>
>Patti:
>THAT, my dear Swill, is a
>LIE.
>
>Remember those Ten Commandments that you
>purport to adore? Well,
>this is one of them
>that you must not have
>read yet:
>
>"You shall not give false testimony
>against your neighbor."
>
>Or do you not think that
>the Ninth Commandment is as
>important as the Fourth?

I suppose I should just focus on the points and not on personalities, don't you?

Maybe I should just relax because salvation is here and I don't have to worry about Adventists even telling lies, don't you think? Since I am saved, I am just too busy worrying about a dead prophet who cannot even lift a barbell!

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

May I again innocently ask before I was pompoused down:

Since Christ fulfilled everything by His death on the cross, why did He return to give secret messages to His true people more than 60 years after His death?

>Ted:
>Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go
>thy way, Daniel: for the
>words are closed up and
>sealed till the time of
>the end.
>
>Here the scripture plainly says that
>the secrets revealed in symbols
>to Daniel were seal up
>until the time of the
>end.
>
>And I have told you three
>times that Jesus and the
>disciples proclaimed that they were
>living in the "time of
>the end." Jesus's accomplished
>salvific work ushered in the
>"last days."
>

And I have asked you more than three times where did the Disciples refer to these things that were sealed down and when did they open them! What do they mean! You mean to tell me I gotta accept your nauseating Christ who cannot even answer plain questions!!

>The Scripture says that the Spirit
>was poured out abundantly at
>Pentecost. Peter calls this magnificent
>phenomenon a fulfillment of the
>prophecy of Joel:
>Acts 2:16 No, this is what
>was spoken by the prophet
>Joel:
>17 "`In the last days, God
>says, I will pour out
>my Spirit on all people.
>Your sons and daughters will
>prophesy, your young men will
>see visions, your old men
>will dream dreams.
>18 Even on my servants, both
>men and women, I will
>pour out my Spirit in
>those days, and they will
>prophesy.
>

When were these scriptures referred to by the Apostles? What do they mean! I don't want to have to go to the only mainstream church that can tell me what they mean now! These prophecies were given for God's true people. You have attacked them so now I have to ask you what they mean and when did the Disciples open up the meaning of these scriptures for us. I don't want these things to be covered up by babbling!

>Many Christians believe that the "last
>days" are yet approaching. But
>Jesus and His disciples as
>well saw themselves living in
>the last days.
>

When did the Disciples ceremoniously open up the meaning of these sealed scriptures again? What is their meaning? Is there a Christian in the house!

>Hebrews 1:1 In the past God
>spoke to our forefathers through
>the prophets at many times
>and in various ways,
>2 but in these last days
>(eschaton days; this is the
>root of the word "eschatology"
>which is the theology of
>last day, end time events)
>he has spoken to us
>by his Son, whom he
>appointed heir of all things,
>and through whom he made
>the universe.
>3 The Son is the radiance
>of God's glory and the
>exact representation of his being,
>sustaining all things by his
>powerful word. After he had
>provided purification for sins, he
>sat down at the right
>hand of the Majesty in
>heaven.
>

What do these things mean again? It was God's Son who gave us the Revelation after He fulfilled "everything" on the cross. What do they mean?

>Hebrews 9:26 Then Christ would have
>had to suffer many times
>since the creation of the
>world. But now he has
>appeared once for all at
>the end of the ages
>to do away with sin
>by the sacrifice of himself.
>
>
What do these sealed scriptures mean again? They mean Christ? Why did Christ come more than 60 years after His death to give us things that were already fulfilled?

Christ has finished all His work? Why isn't He here now to gather His saints?

All the rest of the scriptures that were submitted below were just written to cover over what I am asking. If these prophecies were unsealed at the death of Christ, it would have been ceremoniously and openly done so. The meaning would have been conveyed.

Not every "heretic" is plum stupid Patti!

>
>May God lead us daily into
>a greater understanding of His
>great love for us and
>the full efficacy of His
>salvation in Jesus Christ.
>
>
>Grace and peace,
>Patti

Now why would we want to worship Patti!

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Patti:
I think I remember asking you this question before but enough time has elapsed so that I don't remember your answer. So I will ask again. If Jesus accomplished everything 2000 years what is the hang up that He hasn't gotten it done yet? Why do things continue on and we get to have these discussions over and over. In your opinion what will cause it to be finished? I assume that you believe that Jesus is going to come again, someday. When and how?

>Patti:
>I think I remember asking you
>this question before but enough
>time has elapsed so that
>I don't remember your answer.
>So I will ask again.
>If Jesus accomplished everything 2000
>years what is the hang
>up that He hasn't gotten
>it done yet? Why do
>things continue on and we
>get to have these discussions
>over and over. In your
>opinion what will cause it
>to be finished? I assume
>that you believe that Jesus
>is going to come again,
>someday. When and how?

There is no hang up. Only impatience. Not very wise fruit.

Romans 9..What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory..

- Martin

Gregg:
If Jesus accomplished everything 2000 years what is the hang up that He hasn't gotten it done yet?

But He has "done it," Gregg. We are living in the kingdom of God right now. In our mortal flesh we can only apprehend it by faith. But Jesus reigns right now as King of kings and Lord of lords.

"Hallelujah! For the Lord God omnipotent reigns! The kingdom of this earth has become the kingdom of our God and of His Christ. And He shall reign forever and ever."

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,
6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Mark 16:19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

Acts 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear.

Acts 5:31 Acts 5 Acts 5:30-32 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel.

Acts 7:55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

Acts 7:56 Acts 7 Acts 7:55-57 "Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.

Ephesians 1:19 and his incomparably great power for us who believe. That power is like the working of his mighty strength,
20 which he exerted in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms,
21 far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every title that can be given, not only in the present age but also in the one to come.

Colossians 3:1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 1:3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

Hebrews 8:1 The point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,

Hebrews 10:12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.

Hebrews 12:2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Peter 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand--with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.

Why do things continue on and we get to have these discussions over and over. In your opinion what will cause it to be finished?

IT IS FINISHED, Gregg.

I assume that you believe that Jesus is going to come again, someday. When and how?

As for the "how," I have no clue. And it makes no difference to me how He chooses to end this world. I know what my eternal destiny is already, so it matters not to me how He returns. Also, why would I be so arrogant as to think that I know exactly how He will come again, when there were only a handful of people who even recognized Him the first time He came! He will do what He will do. He will do it on His own time, not ours.

As for the "when," why would you even ask such a question? Is the experience of the early Adventists not lesson enough for those who would try to second guess God and set a date for Christ's return? No man knows the day or the hour, Gregg. Only God knows.

>Gregg:
>If Jesus accomplished everything 2000 years
>what is the hang up
>that He hasn't gotten it
>done yet?
>
>But He has "done it," Gregg.
> We are living in
>the kingdom of God right
>now. In our mortal
>flesh we can only apprehend
>it by faith. But
>Jesus reigns right now as
>King of kings and Lord
>of lords.
>
>"Hallelujah! For the Lord God
>omnipotent reigns! The kingdom of
>this earth has become the
>kingdom of our God and
>of His Christ. And
>He shall reign forever and
>ever."
>

Below are more of the absolutely absurd twistings of scripture from another who must be searching. No wonder these are accomplices of the yet unfulfilled scripture of the Antichrist who will oppress God's people in the last days. Christ will have to come and save God's people and they will sing the Song of Moses in recognition of the terrible oppression yet to come in the future they will suffer from.

In His Grace!

Susan Williams

"As for the "when," why would you even ask such a question? Is the experience of the early Adventists not lesson enough for those who would try to second guess God and set a date for Christ's return? No man knows the day or the hour, Gregg. Only God knows."

Amen Patti, Amen.

>Gregg:
>If Jesus accomplished everything 2000 years
>what is the hang up
>that He hasn't gotten it
>done yet?
>
>But He has "done it," Gregg.
> We are living in
>the kingdom of God right
>now. In our mortal
>flesh we can only apprehend
>it by faith. But
>Jesus reigns right now as
>King of kings and Lord
>of lords.
>
>"Hallelujah! For the Lord God
>omnipotent reigns! The kingdom of
>this earth has become the
>kingdom of our God and
>of His Christ. And
>He shall reign forever and
>ever."
>

Of course, even prophetically that statement was made for the future, but a very strange person is demonstrating for us the very annals of the art of deceit.

We are in the Kingdom now and that's why Satan is still here alive. Dr. Patti, in attacking me on my own forum, tells me to relax because the truth WILL conquer without realizing the lifeswork of herself and her mommy. If we are in the kingdom now, why is she spending hours posting on this forum? Is Satan still alive? Have all the prophecies been fulfilled?

Now she must add some more blasphemy--showing complete immunity from the threatenings of the scriptures--in order to End Justifies the Means her points:

>Revelation 1:5 and from
>Jesus Christ, who is the
>faithful witness, the firstborn from
>the dead, and the ruler
>of the kings of the
>earth. To him who loves
>us and has freed us
>from our sins by his
>blood,
>6 and has made
>us to be a kingdom
>and priests to serve his
>God and Father--to him be
>glory and power for ever
>and ever! Amen.
>

Is it now wonder she does all she can to discourage people from studying and knowing the prophecies? She doesn't know them HERSELF!

When were the sealed scriptures of Daniel unsealed again? She tells us that they were unsealed at the death of Christ. When then were they referred to? When were they explained or even mentioned at that time? I mean SOMETHING MUST JUSTIFY THE TIME CHRIST TOOK TO CONDESCEND AND TALK TO DANIEL AND SEAL UP SOME VERY SPECIAL STUFF THAT EVEN DANIEL WAS NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO WITNESS!

What follows is another whole collection of scriptures taken out of context to do anything possible to avoid my questions. So here I don't just state that Dr. Patti works for Rome. I demonstrate it!

There is also another one posting here who is defending Adventism who also works for Rome. It had been demonstrated often on other forums!

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>When were the sealed scriptures of Daniel unsealed again? She tells us that they were unsealed at the death of Christ. When then were they referred to? When were they explained or even mentioned at that time? I mean SOMETHING MUST JUSTIFY THE TIME CHRIST TOOK TO CONDESCEND AND TALK TO DANIEL AND SEAL UP SOME VERY SPECIAL STUFF THAT EVEN DANIEL WAS NOT IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO WITNESS!

2 COR..But the people’s minds were hardened, and even to this day whenever the old covenant is being read, a veil covers their minds so they cannot understand the truth. And this veil can be removed only by believing in Christ. 15 Yes, even today when they read Moses’ writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand.
16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, then the veil is taken away. 17 Now, the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, he gives freedom. 18 And all of us have had that veil removed so that we can be mirrors that brightly reflect the glory of the Lord. And as the Spirit of the Lord works within us, we become more and more like him and reflect his glory even more.

4 And so, since God in his mercy has given us this wonderful ministry, we never give up. 2 We reject all shameful and underhanded methods. We do not try to trick anyone, and we do not distort the word of God. We tell the truth before God, and all who are honest know that.
3 If the Good News we preach is veiled from anyone, it is a sign that they are perishing. 4 Satan, the god of this evil world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe, so they are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News that is shining upon them. They don’t understand the message we preach about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
5 We don’t go around preaching about ourselves; we preach Christ Jesus, the Lord. All we say about ourselves is that we are your servants because of what Jesus has done for us. 6 For God, who said, “Let there be light in the darkness,” has made us understand that this light is the brightness of the glory of God that is seen in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But this precious treasure—this light and power that now shine within us—is held in perishable containers, that is, in our weak bodies. So everyone can see that our glorious power is from God and is not our own.
8 We are pressed on every side by troubles, but we are not crushed and broken. We are perplexed, but we don’t give up and quit. 9 We are hunted down, but God never abandons us. We get knocked down, but we get up again and keep going. 10 Through suffering, these bodies of ours constantly share in the death of Jesus so that the life of Jesus may also be seen in our bodies.
11 Yes, we live under constant danger of death because we serve Jesus, so that the life of Jesus will be obvious in our dying bodies. 12 So we live in the face of death, but it has resulted in eternal life for you.
13 But we continue to preach because we have the same kind of faith the psalmist had when he said, “I believed in God, and so I speak.” 14 We know that the same God who raised our Lord Jesus will also raise us with Jesus and present us to himself along with you. 15 All of these things are for your benefit. And as God’s grace brings more and more people to Christ, there will be great thanksgiving, and God will receive more and more glory.

To answer your question, CHRIST did fulfill (unseal) everything written about Him.(And yes, it was quite cerimonious!) I suppose you would have to believe the Holy Bible is about Him, or you cannot know this thing. It boils down to belief in His worthiness.

Luke 24..44Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” 45And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. 46Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47“and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48“And you are witnesses of these things. 49“Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
50And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them..

-Martin