You do not even "see" the words you are posting are completly one sided.

You wrote:

Christ said at His death: "It is finished." But the scriptures did not there say exactly what is finished. Now is time for people to fill in the blanks even though the scriptures have shown us all the elements necessary for the atonement from the first entrance into the outer court where the Lamb was slain, down to where the High Priest throws down His censer at the end of judgment. There is in the Revelation mention of the Laodicean Church. That word Laodicea means, "The judging of the people."

I left the SDA church because they were filling in the blanks with thoughts of men.

Don't you see that Jesus is the way the truth and the light?
Have you not ever looked up the word gnostic
Do you not read Hebrews 1:1 the very first verse says he is Gods word, his testimony his prophet

Did you not read the old testament ?
Did you not read the new testament when Jesus was to die for our sins?
Do you not get the point that it is finished, He kept the laws, he was born under bondage so we could be free?

Did you not see what God said of the Laodicean church that he was going to spit them out of his mouth?

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>You do not even "see" the
>words you are posting are
>completly one sided.
>
>
>You wrote:
>
>Christ said at His death: "It
>is finished." But the scriptures
>did not there say exactly
>what is finished. Now is
>time for people to fill
>in the blanks even though
>the scriptures have shown us
>all the elements necessary for
>the atonement from the first
>entrance into the outer court
>where the Lamb was slain,
>down to where the High
>Priest throws down His censer
>at the end of judgment.
>There is in the Revelation
>mention of the Laodicean Church.
>That word Laodicea means, "The
>judging of the people."
>
>
>I left the SDA church because
>they were filling in the
>blanks with thoughts of men.
>
>

Until a God called "Searching" came along!

>Don't you see that Jesus is
>the way the truth and
>the light?
>Have you not ever looked up
>the word gnostic
>Do you not read Hebrews 1:1
>the very first verse says
>he is Gods word, his
>testimony his prophet
>

I do not believe this is even the point, but if it can be used to cloud the point, why won't enemies use it? The question was, when Christ died was the entire plan of salvation finished. If it was, is there a High Priest in heaven doing work now?

I have read the posts and understand that this point was made clear.

>Did you not read the old
>testament ?
>Did you not read the new
>testament when Jesus was to
>die for our sins?
>Do you not get the point
>that it is finished, He
>kept the laws, he was
>born under bondage so we
>could be free?
>

Question: IS THE ENTIRE PLAN OF SALVATION FINISHED? ARE WE WITH CHRIST? CAN WE BE WITH CHRIST WHILE HE IS BUSY DOING HIGH PRIEST WORK?

The scriptures tell us that Christ would come to destroy him who had the power of death: Satan. Did that happen? THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN FOLKS!

>Did you not see what God
>said of the Laodicean church
>that he was going to
>spit them out of his
>mouth?

In other words, although the plan of salvation is finished, more and more people are born into the world and are tried and Christ is not back for His people yet! The Plan of salvation is over, but the people must be judged? As I see it, that is a part of the process.

I rather even trust my senses over gobble-de-gook of men!

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

I do not believe this is even the point, but if it can be used to cloud the point, why won't enemies use it? The question was, when Christ died was the entire plan of salvation finished.

Yes!

Heb 9:24 For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God's presence.
25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own.
26 Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.

There is a lot packed into that one verse. Let's look closer:
1. "But now He has appeared once for all...." Sounds pretty final to me.
2. "...at the end of the ages.." He appeared when? At the end of the ages.
3. "...to do away with sin..." Not to just put off dealing with it until a later time; to do away with sin.
4. "...by the sacrifice of Himself." How did He do away with sin? By the perfecting of a final generation? No. He did away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself.

27 Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,
28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and he will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

All we are waiting for is for Him to come back and take us home. Everything has been accomplished; everything is ready. We can know of a certainty that when we die or when He returns, we will be with Him, because He HAS done away with our sins, atoned for them completely..

If it was, is there a High Priest in heaven doing work now?

No.

Heb 10:8 First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made).
9 Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.
10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.
12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God.
13 Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool,
14 because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

Question: IS THE ENTIRE PLAN OF SALVATION FINISHED?

YES!

ARE WE WITH CHRIST?

Some of us are. By faith.

CAN WE BE WITH CHRIST WHILE HE IS BUSY DOING HIGH PRIEST WORK?

But He is NOT busy doing High Priest work! See the verse above.

The scriptures tell us that Christ would come to destroy him who had the power of death: Satan. Did that happen?

At the cross!

John 12:31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.
32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

THAT WAS PART OF THE PLAN FOLKS!

It was! And it has been accomplished!

>Did you not see what God
>said of the Laodicean church
>that he was going to
>spit them out of his
>mouth?

In other words, although the plan of salvation is finished, more and more people are born into the world and are tried and Christ is not back for His people yet! The Plan of salvation is over, but the people must be judged? As I see it, that is a part of the process.

Again, you are right!

John 12:47
"As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.

John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 12:31 John 12 John 12:30-32 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:

John 16:11 and in regard to judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.

There is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ. No condemnation = no judgment. For who has anything to fear from a judgment that one already knows that the verdict will be "not guilty"?

I rather even trust my senses over gobble-de-gook of men!

Just wondering. Have you ever gone by the name "Glenn" Susan?

>Just wondering. Have you ever
>gone by the name "Glenn"
>Susan?

Just confirming daily, have you ever worked for Rome, papist? Have you ever told us to stay off personalities and discuss the points?

The world will prefer the truth which is the Adventist interpretation. What is Christ doing in heaven? He is SITTING. The people whom Christ loves so much Christ can just sip celestial martinis and watch them suffer.

1 John 2 plainly says:

2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

But we were told that the battle was over, weren't we? Dr. Patti and her friends are enjoying salvation so much that their paranoia is shown in their posts. They dare not relax.

Hebrews 8 CLEARLY says:

8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For Dr. Patti's battle, she cares not even if the bible contradicts. Go to the newsgroups and you will see that Catholics love to prove that the bible contradicts.

But Dr. Patti tells us that the salvation of the saints is complete now. So there is no more persecution. Satan is destroyed according to Dr. Patti. Hallelujah!!

Why not accept her religion then!

The work was finished and salvation is for all, but AFTER that death Paul tells us that he fought the good fight. He engaged in a war and in work because of that salvation that is already here.

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

>I think the confusion is caused
>by the fact that Tmac
>isn't differentiating between first and
>second comings of Christ, Patti.
>We're saying that all prophecy
>is about Christ, but which
>coming? Some of Revelation has
>been fulfilled, yes, the parts
>that point to the church
>in the wilderness, etc. But
>surely you can't say that
>Christ has already coming a
>second time.
>
>And I think the confusion is
>caused by your (and Ted's)
>reliance upon your own "logic"
>and your preconceived ideas (a
>la Ellen) instead of the
>Scriptures. I give you
>Scripture. You give me
>your own ideas. What
>could you possibly be able
>to convince me of considering
>your reluctance to quote Scripture?
>

Yes Vatican Patti gives us scripture in even less of a way than Satan did so when he met Christ in the wilderness. I have asked her how come, if the prophecies were fulfilled by Christ, did Christ come more than 60 years after His death to give the Revelation to John. She replied that it was amazing!

That is no reply to me. But then, let us look at another prophecy this one from the Vatican claims to have been fulfilled at Christ's death and must only be about that:

Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Now this is dealing with issues AFTER the death of Christ even down to our day. Can Vatican Patti claim that this is talking about the death of Christ? THE PEOPLE OF THE VATICAN CAN DO ANY BAD THING AND ANY CRIME!

What do these things mean? When were they fulfilled? At the death of Christ!!

The good news is that at that day 70 years after the birth of Christ, the Christians didn't believe the Patti's of their day. They left Jerusalem and found refuge in the city of Pella in the land of Perea. As a result, NONE of them died in the great waste that took place of the Jews at that time.

But here Christ is admonishing us to read and understand; much like the prophecies he sent in the Revelation which certain people here are teaching us to ignore and not providing for us what the meaning is here that I am showing.

THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH

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Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

The end of the "eon"? Or the coming of His Kngdom? which?

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Tmac You quoted scripture

Matt. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

How come you and my Old SDA teachers neglected to tell me that the GATES WERE CLOSED ON THE SABBATH DAY ! they couldn't GET OUT.

I sent you a post before and you won't reply to it. I will ask you the question once again tmac.

If the Catholics don't agree with your teaching and the protestants think you are a cult does that make you the true "remnant church" ?

How come the SDA faith and The JW faith are so similar? I have friends that were in the JW.

How come most atheist I have spoken to are either former Catholics or Former SDA's ? (disturbing trend there)

I left the Catholics because of their teachings of the doctrines of men.

I left the SDA's because they teach the doctrines of men and twist the scriptures and have become so paranoid of the Catholic church they are actualy just as bad if not worse. Their whole out look on the scriptures that do not apply to their teachings are what they call "Jesuit changed". They attack every thing and every one around them. They sit in a little paranoid box and verbaly asault every one that does not believe their teachings.

I thought becoming a christian meant to find Jesus according to his teachings and his ways, Why do the SDA's and countless others teach some one that the only way to Jesus is through their religion?

I am learning every day, Some things are clearer to me now then before,But I am in no way a biblical scholar or theologian I am merely me, And I am afraid of you and all you stand for. You have shown me the darker side of adventism.

>If the Catholics don't agree with
>your teaching and the protestants
>think you are a cult
>does that make you the
>true "remnant church" ?
>

If people don't agree with "searching," does that mean they embrace the doctrines of men?

>How come the SDA faith and
>The JW faith are so
>similar? I have friends that
>were in the JW.
>
>How come most atheist I have
>spoken to are either former
>Catholics or Former SDA's ?
>(disturbing trend there)
>

The SDAs here are infiltrated Catholics.

>I left the Catholics because of
>their teachings of the doctrines
>of men.
>

Obviously these teachings did not agree with "searching."

>I left the SDA's because they
>teach the doctrines of men
>and twist the scriptures and
>have become so paranoid of
>the Catholic church they are
>actualy just as bad if
>not worse.

The SDA Church twists the scriptures because they have come to a different conclusion than "searching." But "searching" is paranoid of Ellen White. I say that someone is far more chicken than the SDA Church. Anyone now who doesn't agree with someone who is searching is diluded into the doctrines of men.

Their whole out
>look on the scriptures that
>do not apply to their
>teachings are what they call
>"Jesuit changed".

They should copy "searching" and state that they are the "doctrines of men" and twisted scripture.

>They attack every
>thing and every one around
>them. They sit in a
>little paranoid box and verbaly
>asault every one that does
>not believe their teachings.
>

They should just say that everyone else accepts the doctrines of men.

We have no proof of the slanders here. We see the spirit of Christ coming out again! The accuser of the brethren is quite active.

>I thought becoming a christian meant
>to find Jesus according to
>his teachings and his ways,
>Why do the SDA's and
>countless others teach some one
>that the only way to
>Jesus is through their religion?
>

Should they not teach that the way to Christ is through "searching" who has never found?

>I am learning every day,

WOW! You tell me!!

>Some
>things are clearer to me
>now then before,But I am
>in no way a biblical
>scholar or theologian I am
>merely me, And I am
>afraid of you and all
>you stand for. You have
>shown me the darker side
>of adventism.

Poor paranoid searching and not finding! Can someone give her some soy milk! Shouldn't she realize that the kingdom of God is here, the fight is over and she should not be so paranoid and irritated!

In His Grace,

Susan Williams