Quotes from Vatican army members posting on the newsgroups.

Quotes from me formerly posting on the particular newsgroup.

Our comments today.

From: Stephanie D. Rendino (beau65@videotron.ca)
Message 5 in thread
Subject: Re: ###MORE REVEALING WORDS FROM SEEBER!

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.adventist, tnn.religion.catholic, alt.religion.christian.baptist

Date: 2000/09/24

On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:58:01 GMT, Ted McMillan <tmac1238@my-deja.com> wrote:

What about deliberate lying? What about railing against us for revealing that many are members of a persecuting power when knowing well that Vatican doctrine mandates the killing of Protestants?

You have failed to prove that Roman Catholic doctrine mandates killing of Protestants. All you can show are clips of Jack Chick *comics*, quotes from U.S. Presidents that are almost certainly fictional, and other bits of junk. You have not shown anything from Church documents or evidence from any Catholics. Even Catholics who left the Church will deny your ridiculous claims.

Is what this person here said true? Virtually all of the following are Catholic statements. Nothing below is from Jack Chick's comics. Nothing below is from any U.S. President, and even if it was, we are not hard pressed to figure out why the words of such an unknown would rival in importance the words of U.S. Presidents. What is below is just what Stephanie has told us I have not shown: evidence from church documents and from Catholics. Showing them in light of what is written above will, by experience, have no affect on the people who make such statements:

Here now is an actual Encyclical Letter from the Pope himself dictating what has been and still is the inner covert doctrine and principle of the Vatican. Since it is an encyclical letter it demonstrates the unchanging nature of the declaration, and you can at least know that if what is stated here was changed it had to be done quite ceremoniously. This is something that just plainly never happened:

From: Ted McMillan (tmac1238@my-deja.com)
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Subject: ###Seeber 091400

Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian.baptist, alt.religion.christian.biblestudy, alt.religion.christian.last-days, alt.religion.w-w-church-god
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Date: 2000/11/18

In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0009141023310.6574-100000@shell1.aracnet.com>,

"Theodore M. Seeber" <seebert@aracnet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Stephanie D. Rendino wrote:

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:50:34 -0700, "Theodore M. Seeber" seebert@aracnet.com> wrote:

You Protestants are the non-Christians, having rejected Christ in your Protestant Rebelion.

As you can see, Rome still regards Protestantism as a rebellion as she did historically. This regard inspired Rome to commit the atrocities she has committed in the past. Can it impress you to understand how situations are today even for the sake of Prophecy?

The question was asked over and over again that if all this is true, how come the Pope is apologizing to the world for her unrivaled crimes and atrocities of the past?

If the RCC, both visible and invisible, is the Body of Christ, and the protestant rebellion was as it seems, a rejection of the RCC, then the protestant rebellion is indeed a rejection of the Body of Christ. And thus a rejection of Christ himself.

But the Reformation produced liberty and advancement. Are these good attributes? If they are not, why are you pretending to these potential victims reading here that you love it? How could such a "rebellion" produce what was and still is the most prosperous country in the world contrary to what the spouse of Christ said would happen if the nations accepted Protestantism? Rome always told monarchs that if Protestantism was accepted, both the scepter and the pulpit will collapse. We do see that coming now because of strange people telling us to unite and forcing in change among us. Still it is more than 200 years since and under continous covert attack. Also from the statement of Seeber here, we can see that Rome has not change. He is also telling us that the Catholic Church is the true church without dispute even though many dispute it. In the Adventist church are equally strange and unscrupulous people telling us that the Adventist Church must change and join with the others. The most startling issue about this is that in order to get the Adventist Church to change and become ecumenical, they always post consistently about their irritation that it calls herself the True Church and the Remnant Church. When we always present the fact that Rome also claims to be the true church but yet with the persistent extremity that she has been known to mass-slaughter those who disagreed, these strange people always cannot take notice. In reply they would tell us that we need to see the psychiatrist and that we are sick. Since Protestantism is a rebellion against Christ as Seeber tells us, I guess that's the reason why the body of Christ committed so many unparalleled atrocities against human beings and to this very day that the body of Christ has issued some apologies to date.

"Theodore M. Seeber" <seebert@aracnet.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Stephanie D. Rendino wrote:
On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:50:34 -0700, "Theodore M. Seeber" seebert@aracnet.com> wrote:

You Protestants are the non-Christians, having rejected Christ in your Protestant Rebelion.

Hey, now.

If the RCC, both visible and invisible, is the Body of Christ, and the protestant rebellion was as it seems, a rejection of the RCC, then the protestant rebellion is indeed a rejection of the Body of Christ. And thus a rejection of Christ himself.

But the Reformation produced liberty and advancement. What good is liberty and advancement if you loose your soul? Are these good attributes?

Not neccessarily. Certainly not if they eclipse the rule of Christ.

But is it the rule of Christ? These on the newsgroups have to put that question out of debate and this is just one way we can understand that Rome has not changed. Historically she was anti-debate and it took much grinding of teeth to even have hearings for the Protestants before they were condemned and put to death. But one thing Christians know by example is that the Church of Christ will not specialize in telling lies. Jesus charged Satan with being the father of lies and gave reason for his future damnation because of that trait. Above was shown that I have produced evidence from Catholic sources showing that Vatican doctrine mandates the killing of Protestants or those who do not agree with it, and history shows that Rome told monarchs that if they accepted Protestantism THEIR DOMAINS WOULD DEGENERATE INTO CHAOS AND ANARCHY. Since these were found to be lies, and since, as we progress, we will show how freely more lies can easily be told in order to, as historically, secure a murderous object, Christians have come to the conclusion that Rome is not the church or bride of Christ.

Prosperous countries worship mammon, not Christ.

If this is so, the monarchs who were told that accepting Protestantism would spell the destruction of their societies in anarchy should have been told that by accepting the true spouse of Christ, then would prosperity leave and even the French Revolution would occur. The Church of Christ would not lie to the world like that, for Christ is the Father of all truth.

Rome always told monarchs that if Protestantism was accepted, both the scepter and the pulpit will collapse.

How many countries are monarchies today? Has the scepter not fallen? How many countries are theocracies today? Has the pulpit not fallen?

This is grandiose deception here. The systems of government today are even better than monarchies, for they prevent a singular selfish individual from greatly affecting society because of his ambition. But again, the statement Rome made to the monarchs that caused them to waste the Protestants was that the scepter and the throne would collapse IN ANARCHY! Do not be naive to think that Ted Seeber here doesn't know this!

Proof of this is the fact that money and business rules the United States. We do see that [such a condition] coming now because of strange people telling us to unite and forcing in change among us.

What strange people? The ones that exist only in your head?

This is contrary to what they told us as they approached to storm our society. First they opened up debate by demanding that all opinions be respected. This was only to allow their ideas in. Now anything said contrary to their beliefs is termed "your own perception" or "just in your head."

But actually there are strange people taking over the Adventist Church today. This guarantees that all the other Protestant Churches are infiltrated to the brim! I was kicked off of a number of different "Adventist" forums when I brought up this subject of infiltration by the Papacy. Although these Adventist forums allow all kinds of attacks against Ellen White to prosper and allow every ridiculous idea to be presented on it, the administrators always pounce upon those who try to show the infiltration of the papacy taking place. In order to do this they instantly take the matter out of debate. They prohibit those who bring this up from posting by telling them that it is not happening and that the topic will not be allowed on their systems. We believe that if it were not happening, it can be shown that it is not if it is allowed to be discussed on their forums.

Those who relentlessly attack Ellen White on these "Adventist" forums taunt us by telling us that they can debate about anything on the free discussion forums and the forum administrators agree. But when we try to debate this topic, the forum administrators always find us to kick us off, and then the attackers of the church thank the administrators for doing that.

Beyond that we must conclude that there must be some reason why all kinds of strange posters dominating all the "Adventist" internet discussion forums become very emotional and sulky because the Adventist Church claims to be the true church, but when we point out that Rome makes the same claim far more boldly and in extremity--even showing the recent Papal letter of 2000 declaring the Catholic Church to be the one and only true church--they all grow silent, ignore what we say and push in other discourses to cover up what we have mentioned. Our conclusion is that these strange people are trained militia people of the Vatican. They are not the normal Catholics that you see around your dwellings every day.

And given the worship of mammon in this country, I'd say that the 200 years has been a failed experiment.

That was not what was told the monarchs by the Vatican. The criterion for a failed experiment was not even what he is talking about here. If many of the monarchs of history even knew that to test the Protestant movement would guarantee a societal crash more than 200 years into the future after its introduction, they would well have tolerated it and would not have shed so much blood! But that was the issue: the prosperity of the nation.

Rome made it appear such a mistake to even give Protestantism a try that the Protestants were either slaughtered or driven out in a horrible rage as if to tolerate them for one second would mean the destruction of everything.

The monarchs didn't consider the Protestant movement for the belief that it was rejecting Christ, for the Protestant movement was a religious movement that involved reasoning with the scriptures instead of just blindly accepting what one man said. It also involved challenging Rome with the scriptures to see how well she can expound upon it. People were prominent not because of the position they held in any church or government seat, but according to how well they can demonstrate what they believed from the scriptures. The primary concern was the ordering of society.

Also from the statement of Seeber here, we can see that Rome has not changed.

Why should Rome abandon Christ?

If abandoning "Christ" can somehow free Rome from telling lies and shedding blood, then yes, she should abandon "Christ." From this example would multitudes have opened minds and understood whether or not an organization having such a foundation of deceit is already married to a man called Christ who scolded His rebel angel and called him the father of lies?

He is also telling us that the Catholic Church is the true church without dispute even though many dispute it.

Considering that this was originally posted in a Catholic newsgroup, why not?

We thought the consideration was for truth and not for which newsgroup anything was being posted upon. If their criterion for truth is the newsgroup, why don't they say that from the beginning? Is the criterion for any more truth based upon where a person is a member of?

Later on this same fellow (Seeber) came to the Adventist newsgroups in order to tell us that the Catholic Church is the one and only true. The issue of the newsgroup is just another demonstration of where the training of life was applied and from where.

In the Adventist church are equally strange and unscrupulous people telling us that the Adventist Church must change and join with the others.

Why would you want the Adventist Church to follow mammon instead of Christ?

Friends, you are witnessing the ever and historic definition of despotism. If Foxe's Book of Martyrs was such a lying creation as they claim, how come they cannot refute its documentation by their actions? Who cannot see that they are beyond debate? And if they are beyond debate, why do they always pretend that they are for it and that they are opened minded? Why are they on debate vehicles such as even the newsgroups here?

Even here you are witnessing the difference between Protestantism and Vaticanism. Can they defeat us with the scriptures? Even this debating is what they worked hard for to extinguish historically.

The most startling issue about this is that in order to get the Adventist Church to change and become ecumenical, they always post consistently about their irritation that it calls herself the True Church and the Remnant Church.

Who does? Not me.

It was understood that I was not talking about him, and he knew it. I was talking about all the strange posters on the internet and Adventist discussion forums claiming to be Protestant yet constantly promoting a Vatican agenda. But in the usual acute training to deceive, a person can learn that just a few words can sidetrack the issues and possibly break the power of truth in the minds of readers and listeners.

When we always present the fact that Rome also claims to be the true church but yet with the persistent extremism that she has been known to mass-slaughter those who disagreed, these strange people always cannot take notice.

Perhaps because the strange people exist only in your head.

It is amazing that he finally used the word, "perhaps." Is he saying that he is not certain about what he says? This is not consistent with his other statements showing that he always knows what he is talking about and everybody has to receive it.

If you reading this however believe that it is perfectly natural for a group of people posting on the internet to hyperventilate and scold churches that claim to be the true church; if you believe that it is perfectly natural for people to storm the internet and scold churches that refuse to be ecumenical under Rome; if you believe that groups of people can scold churches with hot emotion telling them how dare they feel themselves superior to their other fellow brothers and sisters in Christ because of claiming to be the true church, but yet cannot say the same to Rome who has boldly declared to be the true church worldwide, then you are out of this discussion and we can do nothing for you.

Remember, Rome's claim to be the true church has been with such extremism that she slaughtered millions of Christians. We know that they even today are telling us this is not true and try to use documentation to prove it. But remember, see if you can find a single Waldensian Christian anywhere. You can't because they have been completely exterminated historically by Rome as just the slightest taste of her historical crimes rivaling every cult to be found on the earth today COMBINED TO AN EXPONENTIAL VALUE!

Then again, why apologize to the world for atrocities in the past if you would staff the internet with people who are telling us that history actually says that the Protestants were the persecutors of the Catholics?

In reply they would tell us that we need to see the psychiatrist and that we are sick.

If you hear strange voices, then you are.

Since Protestantism is a rebellion against Christ as Seeber tells us, I guess that's the reason why the body of Christ committed so many unparalleled atrocities against human beings and to this very day that the body of Christ has issued some apologies to date.

Yes? And when are the Protestant appologies comming? How about the adventist ones for Dr Kellogg?

If the Protestants need to apologize for anything, the Pope should let them know so that Rome can demonstrate that she hasn't changed. What did Protestantism do wrong? Was it the fact that she claimed liberty of conscience?

Now about Dr. Kellog, must Adventists apologize to the world for inventing Corn Flakes? What blood was shed by Adventists throughout history? What has Dr. Kellogg visibly done against the world? Did he burn bibles? Did he murder anybody?

Because Protestants do not have the power of Christ behind them. When they reject Christ by refuting the actions of the Body of Christ, then they are not with Christ, are they.

By apologizing to the world for her atrocities, more are refuting the "actions of the Body of Christ" than is being alluded to here... Unless the whole apology is a lie as we contend that it is. It would make more sense then that the power that was always with Christ not go around apologizing for shedding blood in the most vicious of ways known to man. If Christ did this, then by all means let us know and show us how He did it!

It pales in contrast to those posting here and everywhere who hyperventilate because the they claim that the Protestants call them names. Sticks and stones can break bones, but names cannot truly hurt within unless the names are accurate. But how can Protestants be the epitomes of HATE as they are being portrayed by these Vatican warriors if even words do not compare to slow and barbarous mass torture and murder? It does compare to slow and barbarous torture and murder? If that is so, let us torture them and they just call us names!

All these statement have not the slightest backdrop of authority for them except Rome.

Gee.....and here I thought that Rome was the See of Peter....Who has the authority of Christ.

Could that be just in his head? Christ even told the Jews that the true church is not even measured by genealogy or blood! (John 8:39-44) How is it that for generations people have to blindly tell us that a church is the true church by historical appointment to office throughout the ages?

Again, ask the question I asked Stephen Korsman who then told me that I was so immensely evil for asking it:

WHY THEN IS ROME APOLOGIZING FOR ANYTHING!! The body of Christ has to apologize to evil rebels??

Yes. And the evil rebels have to appologise to us. That's what making peace is all about.

So now we actually find out that we are "evil rebels!" And how did the world make peace with the Nazis? Communism has said to have fallen. We know this is a lie, but still: how did we make peace with those Communists? They apologized to us and we apologized to them? If we did, what did we say and how did we say it? How did Blacks, who were slaves, finally make peace with the Whites in the United States since it must always be a two way street? Even on this web site we have an article demonstrating that Japan is slicing out documentation of her atrocities during WWII and that this is angering the world. How did the world apologize back to Japan for this since Japan is now apologizing by blanking out the record of her crimes?

What about the barbaric Kmer Rouge of Cambodia? How did they make peace with the world. Did the world apologize to them for using force to stop their "fun" when they committed atrocities? What about the infamous and supremely bloody Ustashi killer soldiers of WWII who told their hapless Serbian victims that they can preserve their lives if they converted to Catholicism? The allies defeated and stopped their activities. What apologies must the Allies now give?

According to them, making peace is all about submitting all authority again to Rome. Here we see an admission that they still view us as evil rebels. But if we are to apologize to Rome for anything, how do we word the apology? What can Protestants say is their crime? Most of what I see is already written here. It was a crime to separate from Rome and declare liberty and start bible societies. It was a crime to call her the Beast of Revelation instead of accepting the other interpretation of what it actually means? What is that other actual interpretation? We cannot tell, for even Rome has not yet been able to supplant any other credible version of what those prophecies mean. That is why all over the internet strange people are telling us that "Christ is Enough" when we study or bring to light these prophecies in order to prevent us from studying them. That is why similar people are telling us that it is too hard to understand and should be ignored and replaced with Christ: the Author of them.

Ted Seeber therefore tells us that the Protestants have to apologize to his Rome also because that is what making peace is all about: both sides must apologize. If he really believed this, he would have pursued this with posts since and even before this post on the newsgroups. We virtually guarantee you that he has not pressed this concept anywhere but just used it to more show us who and where the spouse of Christ IS NOT!

I therefore comment on what is the purpose for the Protestants apologizing to a power that has doctrinal mandate to destroy her as rebellion:

YES!! ONLY FOR THE PURPOSE OF DECEIVING AND OVERCOMING THEM AGAIN!!

What a horrid danger, being overcome by Christ.