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 JESUIT DIALOGUES!

Updated 10/1/2001

 

President Abraham Lincoln once stated:

". . .it is very certain that if the American people could learn what I know of the fierce hatred of the priests of Rome against our institutions, our schools, our most sacred rights, and our so dearly bought liberties, they would drive them away tomorrow from among us, or they would shoot them as traitors. But you [Father Charles Chiniquy] are the only one to whom I reveal these sad secrets for I know that you learned them before me. The history of these last thousand years tells us that wherever the Church of Rome is not a dagger to pierce the bosom of a free nation, she is a stone to her neck, to paralyze her, and prevent her advance in the ways of civilization, science, intelligence, happiness and liberty." -- President Abraham Lincoln, Fifty Years In The Church of Rome, p. 295.

President Lincoln also stated that they would work to:

". . .undermine our institutions, alienate the hearts of our people from our Constitution, and our laws, destroy our schools, and prepare a reign of anarchy here as they have done in Ireland, in Mexico, in Spain, and wherever there are any people who want to be free, etc." -- President Abraham Lincoln, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, p. 296, 297.

"Is it not an absurdity to give to a man a thing which he is sworn to hate, curse, and destroy? And does not the Church of Rome hate, curse, and destroy liberty of conscience whenever she can do it safely? I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, highest sense. But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the Pope and to his followers, the Papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws, that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity! This does not seem to be understood by the people today. But sooner or later, the light of common sense will make it clear to every one that no liberty of conscience can be granted to men who are sworn to obey a Pope, who pretends to have the right to put to death those who differ from him religion." -- President Abraham Lincoln, Fifty Years in the Church of Rome, Chapter 60.

 

FIFTY YEARS IN THE CHURCH OF ROME! Read it online at this link! You can save the chapters after they download into your computer. Go to "File" and then "save as" and save it as an html file to any directory of your choice for offline reading.

 

See some of the brazen statements against liberty made by Ted Seeber, who is a Dark Ages Catholic. This means that his mind is at least EXACTLY like those of the Inquisitors of history as is millions more taught at the Vatican and now infiltrated all throughout our government, educational institutions AND CHURCHES here in the United States. Seeber demonstrates that he believes in persecution for all who are not Catholic and that he hates civil and religious liberty for all others except Catholics.

 

The links below will be continually updated. Presented on them are just some of the dialogues we encountered on the internet which made us to know that we were dealing with the Jesuits: the most deadly mortal creatures in the universe!

Find out how the Jesuits operate and how to recognize them from the Jesuit Infiltration page by clicking here. (It is best to be versed on the issues from the Jesuit Infiltration Website home page before examining their maneuvers in discussion through the internet forums.)

This page is also a vital supplement in the understanding of how to detect Jesuits. The names have been changed except when the person is too famous already to avoid, if the real names of the characters are too easily accessible to exclude, or if the person requests that his real name be placed.

Detecting them is half the battle. Doing nothing with their abundant presence will be shown to be TRAGIC!!

 

Remember that Jesuits are immune to the teachings of the scriptures. That was why when Protestants translated the bible into another language, they were exceedingly fearful, realizing the responsibility on their hands. They counted every word and did everything possible to make sure the test was as accurate as possible. They knew that people would even memorize every word as is necessary. They therefore literally trembled as they held the manuscripts.

Jesuits are different. They can tear the bible apart, and historically they burned them without a problem. They therefore exhibit no fear upon those things that would make biblical Christians tremble. THAT'S WHY THEY WERE INSTRUMENTAL IN THE CREATION OF THE MANY DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF BIBLES AROUND TODAY. NOT ONLY ARE THESE BIBLES SECRET BULWARKS AGAINST ADVENTIST DOCTRINE, BUT THEY INHIBIT THE VITAL PROCESS OF SCRIPTURE MEMORIZATION.

Adam and Eve would normally have trembled when moving anywhere near the tree of knowledge of good and Evil with the forbidden fruit hanging there before their eyes. Satan, on the other hand, would easily pose as the serpent and wrap himself around it. It will then be his job to convince Eve that there is no danger. The same is true of Jesuits with the scriptures. The whole world will be shown a no fear attitude as it relates to the warnings and prophecies of God. The Jesuits will go before them to ridicule the messengers of God and to show the world that lightning has not struck them down for their arrogance. They will therefore teach the rest of the world to do the same. You will therefore observe this attitude as you understand the terrible responsibility placed upon the necks of those who fulfill these examples on this website who use scriptural gymnastics in order to twist the meaning away from what it clearly says.

Dr. Patti End Time I Daughter of the toxically unscrupulous Pat Darnell and just as unscupulous, demonstrates the abilities of the armies of the Papacy. Please do not tell me that it is not necessary to read this. You need to read this so that you can see in advance what will soon be forced upon you by your national leaders in every branch of government!

In this particular link, Dr. Patti argues that because of the death of Christ, all the prophecies of Daniel and the Revelation are not important. They are all fulfilled in Christ and therefore all we have to do is to focus on Christ. We MUST not study or take seriously the end time prophecies. These are the prophecies that point out her Pope. It comes in seven parts:

Dr. Patti End Time II

Dr. Patti End Time III

Dr. Patti End Time IV

Dr. Patti End Time V

Dr. Patti End Time VI

Dr. Patti End Time VII

 

Dr. Patti EGW I Dr. Patti argues to show that Adventists are "legalistic." She insists that everyone must believe this while she also threatens to sue me for slander because I said that she works for the Vatican and will not allow her denials to supersede the abilities she has shown that proves this. In this particular link a poster goes out to insult Ellen White through taking a statement of hers showing that the Ten Commandments must be kept if one is to expect salvation. Dr. Patti then comes in full force to ridicule the entire denomination based on what that poster says. This topic comes in eight parts:

Dr. Patti EGW II

Dr. Patti EGW III

Dr. Patti EGW IV

Dr. Patti EGW V

Dr. Patti EGW VI

Dr. Patti EGW VII

Dr. Patti EGW VIII

 

Ted Seeber, a staunch Dark Ages Catholic, demonstrates for us whether or not Rome has changed. Cataclysmic issues are discussed here! Scroll down to his statements!

RCatholic gives strong Arguments on ClubAdventist in an effort to place the Pope back again as leader of the world. Arguments have erupted as to why the Adventist administrator of this forum allows such free access to fellow Catholics. See what happens!

RCatholic, in answering why many Adventists were formerly Catholics against his charge that Adventists hate Catholics:

What do I say for the Catholics that are now SDA? You troubled them there. That is what I say. You sowed discord among the brethren until you made leave the church Christ established for EG Whites Church. I say you finally troubled them with the Gospel of Moses until you made them leave. I say they probably were doing what they thought was right because you feed them so many lies about the Catholic Church you made them hate it.

As you can see here, RCatholic says that we hate Catholics, but confesses that we won them over by causing them to hate Rome. Why did we want to win over Catholics whom we hate? Why haven't we instead gone over to them saying, "We've changed! We are just like you! We now want LOVE, UNITY and HEALING"?!! Why haven't we planned inquisitions? Why would we want such people whom he claims we hate, to come closer over to us?

Pat Darnell again, in a personal email to me, takes it upon herself to define what "HATE" is as the word relates to this web site and doesn't deal with her life's mission against God's people. Will you be surprised after all our warnings that soon you will notice the minds of all our politicians, news journalists, law enforcement personnel and even pastors being exactly like hers?

After being given a rundown of the barbarous things that happened against Christians during the Dark Ages and Reformation, and passing these experiences off as inconsequential, she voiced that she has never seen such hate as on my web site. Are you surprised that papists can do these things?

 

Check out this new link.

This link more conclusively demonstrates the thought patterns of the moderators and administrators of the oldest "Adventist" internet discussion forum there is today: SDAnet. In it is some very serious dialogue giving hints to the tragic future that awaits the Adventist Church structure and unsuspecting people. Watch some very cunning members of the infiltrating papal army in action!.

 

 

Jesuit Dialogue Links On the "Adventist" Forums!!

 

Strong Arguments are presented by a staunch Catholic on ClubAdventist in an effort to place the Pope again back on top of the world!

 

http://www.clubadventist.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000437.html

This link goes to dialogue and features people who ridicules others for believing that there is terrible Jesuit infiltration of the Adventist Church and world. It is on the ClubAdventist discussion forums.

 

http://www.clubadventist.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000441.html

In this link also on the ClubAdventist forums: watch as an Adventist defends against a real Jesuit who tries to convince all that Rome has the power to forgive sins. Watch as the Jesuit justifies Inquisitions using the scriptures but then claims that for ages Rome has been the victim of persecution and inquisitions at the hands of the Protestants.

 

http://www.clubadventist.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000435.html

This link on the ClubAdventist forums starts with someone trying to show that we must love those who are taking over our churches and even expelling them from our personal churches lest we interfere with their plans. Watch closely the tactics that are used so you can figure out who these people are. They trend to use the same general tactics everywhere else. If you expose them as Jesuits, that is proof that you don't love them and don't have love in your heart.

 

http://www.clubadventist.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/000428.html

Name-calling is a terrible offense to Jesuits. This is because some will realize that they are the workers of the Papacy and will point them out. This particular thread was created on the ClubAdventist forums in order to convince people that name-calling is a bad thing, but PARANOID people are fond of calling others names. Is PARANOID a name?

 

 

 

Some Examples of Jesuit Tactics Being Used Against the People by the Adventist Review!

 

DESMOND FORD SPEAKS !

Desmond Ford Tries to Tell Us That Since the Message of Daniel About the Investigative Judgment Cannot be Found in the New Testament, it has to be Rejected! Check out his words and our responses to it.



 

 

TROUBLE ON THE "ADVENTIST"
FORUMS !!

See what goes on within forums that were designed specifically for the destruction of the Adventist Church and faith. These forums sponsor attacks to the Adventist Church and faith in every way conceivable. The denomination knows that they exist, but does nothing against them. Instead, the denomination sued the Eternal Gospel SDA Church (which does nothing close to these) for, according to them, not properly representing the name "Seventh-day Adventist." Among such forums are:

 

Adventist Issues Under Tim Veach

SDAnet Under Steve Timm

Atoday Under Greg Billock

ClubAdventist Under Stan Jensen

Voluntary Online Under Paul Beach?

 

 

PAMELLA SIKES DEMONSTRATES OUTRAGE THAT ADVENTISTS WOULD NOT SUPPORT THE 10 COMMANDMENTS BEING DISPLAYED ON PUBLIC PLACES AND ENFORCED UPON ALL! Is anything wrong with that? Well you might consider so if you understood that Pamella claimed that respecting the 10 commandments constitutes legalism and that the Ten Commandments are dangerous for the Christian. Does something sound off already here?

PAT DARNELL'S MESSAGES, PURPOSE AND INTENTS! Pat Darnell used to be a Seventh-day Adventist, but has apostatized from the church and now uses all her time and efforts to destroy it. By coming out, she has created statistics that have been planned to work for the destruction of the church. Since her departing however, she has mysteriously acquired a completely papal agenda and now has admitted ecumenical and globalist world views. Not only has she rejected Ellen White and presented reasons for it, but she has rejected the prophecies as well and HAS NOT given good reason for doing so. This is a consistent problem with almost all those we found in opposition on the forums.

DAN T ENTERS THE FORUM AND IMMEDIATELY GOES INTO ATTACK MODE ON ELLEN WHITE WHILE CLAIMING THAT ALL HIS EFFORTS WERE TO LIFT UP CHRIST! Dan T, just like the rest of them, had just entered one of the forums, and then immediately switched to attack mode upon Ellen White. Such is always the Jesuit expression of love to Christ. Witness his words and tactics here!

CULTIC GOSPEL! One of the many strange people on the forums, presents an article written by a Jesuit who attacks God's Church quite artfully. See if you can notice the papal agenda on your own! This work is supplied with our commentary.

LANE KIRT TELLS US WE MUST GIVE UP OUR DOCTRINES AND FOCUS ON CHRIST! A Jesuit here accuses the Adventist Church of opposing Christ by maintaining her doctrines and prophecies. He tells us that we must ONLY "rehearse" the Gospel, which he claims is Jesus only. The problem is that in the process, he has condemned Christ also, because Christ Himself pointed us to study the prophecies! Did this person attack Ellen White while telling us that we must ONLY "rehearse" the Gospel?

CA GIVES HER LIFE'S TESTIMONY AGAINST ADVENTISM! CA gives an identical testimony to Pat Darnell against Adventism. In both cases they must attack the doctrine and prophecy of Adventism. They all cannot bear the thought that there are churches that claim to be the true church. Can the beauty of Christ take their eyes off of what others believe? See if you can see an ecumenical agenda in all of this!

CA CHALLENGES THE LAW AND ACCUSES ADVENTISM OF LEGALISM!
(She presents to us Pat Darnell theology against Adventism with the identical same arguments). CA ATTEMPTS to go around the clear statements of Matthew 5:17-19 which shows that the Ten Commandments stand for ALL time!

CA CHALLENGES TYRONE WITH QUESTIONS REGARDING THE ADVENTIST CHURCH CHANGING! Willingly forgeting that she had declared that all must expect that others will not agree with their views, CA tries to penetrate the rationale that our church should change upon her suggestion and adopt her views.

 

 

TROUBLE ON THE ATODAY FORUMS !!

PROBING THE MIND OF GREG BILLOCK! (3/21/00) Greg Billock, Administrator for the Atoday Forums, is serenading his hearers about his virtuous desires for free and wholesome discussion on his forum after he just expelled a poster who was defending Adventism. This poster studied the issues on this website and since took his knowledge over to that forum in order to have what was stated here as identifiers of Jesuit activity become a firmly established reality in his eyes. The statements on this website were proven to him by experience. No one was able to defeat the straight and honest reasoning of this poster as we will see. Something therefore had to be done with him.

A SMALL TASTE OF THE POSTINGS GREG BILLOCK REFUSES TO SEE! Witness just this one sample of the amazing postings which demonstrate the ultimate agenda and climate of internet discussion forums claiming to uphold free thought while demanding the SDA Church to change. Remember the accusations leveled against EC by Greg Billock and the host of the other posters on the Atoday forums from the link just above: "PROBING THE MIND OF GREG BILLOCK" as you read!

 

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY EC's appearance in response to the postings demanding that Adventists relinquish their beliefs. Greg doesn't notice these postings.

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY II Tom Norris continues his response to EC (Emmanuel Clarke) after Emmanuel reproved him for his manner of posting. He posts as if no one else in the world exists who might have a different view. The problem is that you typically cannot notice this because, as with every person who works for Rome among us, he is too good at accusing others of possessing this same attribute, and he continues to portray that all he wants is discussion and free views.

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY III When last we left this discussion, EC stated that Tom Norris was out to destroy the influence of Ellen White. Tom denied this while telling us that neither she nor any of the other Adventist pioneers can be used in discussion to debate the mandate that the Adventist Church MUST change and give up *some* of its fundamental pillars

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY IV As you can see from where we last left in the experiences of Emmanuel Clarke, it is plain that he has gone plain too far in defending Adventism. Ways and means now need to show a basis to be conjured up in order to get rid of him. Accusations must be created even while the accusers preach against making accusations. As you can see demonstrated, they believe that there was never anything wrong with the way Tom Norris posts. A cry must be raised ultimately loud enough for Greg to hear about Emmanuel's posts however.

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY V Bob Lee and and everyone else responding now steps up to confront EC, for there is nothing wrong with Tom Norris at all.

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY VI
Tom Norris now, like every other determined Anti-Adventist we have found on all the forums, prepares to convince us that Adventist doctrine is similar to Catholic doctrine and proclamations, by referring to the Council of Trent. Among those who have done this also was Pat Darnell and Ernesto Gil: two eternally avowed enemies of Adventism who also push papal principles. Why are there such similarities?

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY VII
EC Starts to comment after Tom Norris again called him a Communist, and then added that he was a Nazi for refusing to consent to the changes he demands the Adventist Church must make which involves giving up some or all of its major fundamental pillars. He is then swamped by the rest of the posters accusing him for being intolerant and disrespectful of those who disagree with him.

TROUBLE ON THE FORUMS! ATODAY VIII
EC presents proof that the other posters demanding change have also demanded that Seventh-day Adventists give up their beliefs (they are intolerant). The rest of the posters pretend that he did not even submit any evidence at all, and viciously continue to accuse him. Ralph Thompson makes his despotic comments, totally ignoring the evidence. EC then announces that he received emails from Greg Billock telling him that he is disrespectful of the other posters, he must no longer post anything about Ellen White, and ultimately that he may not post to the Atoday Forums any longer.

 

 

JESUIT DIALOGUE WITH STEPHEN KORSMAN !!

 

Witness My Conversation With Stephen Korsman and See Whether or Not Rome has Actually Changed!

 

 



 

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