>David, while equating EGW's writings to
>the Bible is not an
>offical belief, it is one
>that is held by a
>good number of Adventists.

Then they would be wrong; so why castigate all for the mis-understanding of a few?
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>Another
>idea that is held by
>some Adventists is the role
>of EGW as an infallable
>interpreter of scripture.

I don't know of anyone who hold such a view. This especially improbable when one realizes that her approach to the Bible is more homiletical in nature rather than exegetical.
===
>I think Douty
>was right on the money.

Douty didn't know what he was talking about.
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Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it. - Henry Ford, Sr.

You and Ted both need to cease immediately from your accusations and attacks. This is your last warning.

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You first; show us what it means to have been saved by grace--what we have seen so far isn't appealing.

I have complimented you numerous times and yet you haven't the courtesy to return the favor even once.

Thanks heavens for Janice.
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David:

I have complimented you numerous times and yet you haven't the courtesy to return the favor even once.

All the compliments in the world will not eradicate one (or two or three or four) publicly broadcast false accusations.

Compliments are not what we are about here, anyway. We can pat each other on the back all day long and not achieve one ounce of conversation nor of Bible study. We are about Truth. You have not learned how to deal with the facts and leave personalities out of it. That is why you have to constantly resort to personal attacks. I am not the only recipient of your barbs; but, somehow, perhaps because I am a woman, perhaps because I have the audacity to be an outspoken woman, I seem to be in your crosshairs all the time. It is time for this to end. It is impeding rational conversation, interfering with the discourse of the Gospel. Thus the warning. Any attacks after this message toward me or anyone else will be deleted. And if you cannot keep yourself from resorting to ad homs, then you will be banned.

Thanks heavens for Janice.

Amen, to that! She is a very smart and lovely lady.

>David:
>>I have complimented you numerous times
>and yet you haven't the
>courtesy to return the favor
>even once.
>
>All the compliments in the world
>will not eradicate one (or
>two or three or four)
>publicly broadcast false accusations.
>
>Compliments are not what we are
>about here, anyway. We
>can pat each other on
>the back all day long
>and not achieve one ounce
>of conversation nor of Bible
>study. We are about
>Truth.

In other words she is saying that I have never told the truth on any matter at anytime.
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>Thanks heavens for Janice.
>
>Amen, to that! She is
>a very smart and lovely
>lady.

Yes, she is a lady.
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Thinking is the hardest work there is, which is the probable reason why so few engage in it. - Henry Ford, Sr.

.. and you know it.

We are about
>Truth.

In other words she is saying that I have never told the truth on any matter at anytime.

Why do you resort to such tactics? I never said or hinted anything of the sort. In fact, your name did not even come into my mind as I typed out that sentence. You see, there is only one Truth, David, and it is not you. It is Jesus Christ and the Gospel of His salvation. And all this petty personal stuff is getting in the way. I will not speak to you again on this matter. But your posts with personal attacks will be deleted from now on.

May God bless you and give you comfort.

Grace and peace,
Patti

>Perhaps you should read all of
>the posts a bit closer.
>
>
>You know, your insinuations really revolt
>me. Why do you
>constantly try to belittle and
>degrade me on this forum?
> I have never made
>any personal jabs at you.
> The only thing I
>have done is to address
>your personal attacks on others.
>
>
>Your behavior shows nothing of the
>Christian "love" that you tout.
> You cannot constantly berate
>and belittle someone and do
>it "in love."
>
>So CUT IT OUT! If
>you have nothing good to
>say about someone, then don't
>say anything.

All right Geoffy, the great defender of the Jesuits! Here is someone here named Dr. Patti to justify now. Now find some excuse for her even in the book of human reasoning let alone Christian.

The statement was, if you don't have anything good to say about someone, then don't say anything. Now show us how this statement by Dr. Patti is an accident!

>If you and Ted are an
>example of how loving and
>kind SDAs are, then I
>think you have presented your
>case excellently.
>

That's right. We are the few warning the world about the Inquisitions to come through these "Christ-centered" and "loving" ecumenical people who are not affected by the threatening of the scriptures.

These are the ones who are so absurd beyond being the most unscrupulous and cruelest of human beings, that now we learn that the principle to love enemies ONLY applies when they're alive! They hate Ellen White now and they can because she is dead. If she were alive they would love her!

So now, since Christ gave us Matthew 24 and told the Christians to pray that their flight be not in the Winter nor upon the Sabbath day, how did the Christians interpret this? Did they just celebrate and became Patologists? Or did they flee into a neighboring refuse city and save their lives?

Patti told us that all these things were fulfilled in Christ and this is the reason why she will not expound upon what they mean for us. That's all good and done anyway for I tell everyone that if they want to know the meaning they are to seek God's people for it.

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>May God truly bless you this
>day with peace, David.
>The Peace that comes from
>knowing that you are accepted,
>as I am, as a
>child of God, an heir
>of His Kingdom. And
>that, because He is merciful,
>then you can be merciful
>also.
>
>My thoughts and prayers are with
>you.
>You are, as I am,
>In His grace, alone.
>
>Patti

>Since I am sure many of
>you are wondering why Ted
>here carries on and on
>about my mother, I thought
>I should enlighten you.
>My mother wrote a book,
>her autobiography, which discusses her
>break with SDAism. You
>can read her book (and
>all about me as a
>little girl! ) at
>the following address:
>
>Pat Darnell's book
>
>This single, unpublished book is what
>Ted calls Pat's "many books"
>concerning SDAism and part of
>why he is fixated on
>her. Now, I would
>truly appreciate you Catholics if
>you could read the last
>chapter and tell us honestly
>if there is any Catholic
>doctrine in it. In
>fact, I think you will
>find many things that denounce
>Catholic doctrine. (One thing
>you have failed to do,
>Ted, is to explain
>why emmissaries of the pope,
>Jesuit infiltrators, would speak out
>against the Catholic beliefs themselves,
>as I and my mother
>both have and do!)

First of all the subject was changed. I saw an excerpt about Ellen White's greatest hits. I then saw a strange person subscribe to denouncing Ellen White (as she knows what is obsession) with the greatest hit remark. I then provided JESUS'S GREATEST HITS, and no one yet has commented!

Secondly those who believe that Jesuits or Catholic infiltrators cannot denounce the Pope are very uneducated. The Jesuit oath tells us that they can denounce their holy religion and the pope with all the vehemency of their nature. That is why even those in the Adventist Church who gave Revelation seminars are now coming out with strange doctrine of a Catholic bent. You can find the Jesuit oath on my web site. It makes sense to do this so as to gain the trust of the heretics you are infiltrating.

The Pat's however are ecumenical. You need to understand the definition of it. None of them have given a reason why, as they claim, finding out the "inconsistencies and deceptions" of Ellen White has made them no longer believe the prophecies and even do all they can to make sure that people don't regard them. The scriptures tell us that damnation is the future of all such, but the threatenings of the scriptures do not mean anything to the Pats.

As far as obsession is concerned, we see that Pat wrote even a book. Always on the internet she focuses on a particular subject. Both of the Pat's then have the Vatican intestines to tell me that I have a problem because of an obsession.

Now back to Christ's greatest hits. Who wants to serve a legalistic Christ? Why not go serve the Pats and all the other strange posters? May I have an answer for this example I gave please? Or are we forgetting that I am dealing with Christians who are enamored with Christ?

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The Lord bless you and keep you, Glenn.
The Lord lift His countenance upon you
And give you peace.
The Lord make His face to shine upon you
And be gracious unto you.

Amen.

Unless one is willing to do the good works God has given us, follow the commandments, and accept responsibility for our actions (namely sins) we will not be saved in the end.

This is just my take on the Catholic view. If there are any other Catholics here, please correct me if I got it wrong.

Janice

I am glad you noticed!
Thank you, Janice! You are right!

..

No, Janice, I am not Catholic.
I am former SDA. Fourth generation on both side of my family.

>No, Janice, I am not Catholic.
>
>I am former SDA. Fourth
>generation on both side of
>my family.

Dr. Patti, stop lying to the people! You are Catholic! You are ecumenical. You spread lies on the forums and after being demonstrated so, you don't tackle the questions I submit that expose you but you repeat the lies or go elsewhere to repeat them.

This is the "legalistic" person so charged by you whether I like it or not speaking these truths. The great effort today is for infiltrating Catholics to pretend they are members of other organizations in government, media, education, religion and everything else.

This is the same as Dr. Jerry Gladston who posted on the Atoday forums. He maintains that he always wanted to be an Adventist minister but then began to promote anti-Adventist doctrine. In his discourse against the Seventh-day Sabbath, he said that Paul "Celebrated the Eucharist." From there he will despot babble that he is not Catholic, but God's people were not born yesterday.

With all the variables there is no reason why the Patti's should be clinging to what they have already said is a most insignificant denomination--one so insignificant, it occupies such a major portion of their lives. The most powerful and popular denomination always completely misses their occupation even though it is guilty of far more "legalism" the Pats tell us has been the torture of their lives.

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Ted:
Dr. Patti, stop lying to the people! You are Catholic!

Ted,
You are going too far now.
I am not Catholic, have never been.
Neither has anyone in my family.
You need to stop your lying immediately.

I ask any Catholic alive to come and interrogate me and see if my beliefs in any way parallel what the Catholic church teaches.

You are ecumenical.

Ted, Catholic does not equal ecumenical.
You need to learn the difference.
Ecumenism is such a horrible thing, isn't it? For all of God's people to come together to worship Him...

But, I do not espouse ecumenism either. There is no need to physicaly unite the body of Christ under one denomination, because we are already united under one Head, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

May God deal gently with you.

Patti

>Ted:
>Dr. Patti, stop lying to the
>people! You are Catholic!
>
>
>Ted,
>You are going too far now.
>
>I am not Catholic, have never
>been.
>Neither has anyone in my family.
>
>You need to stop your lying
>immediately.
>
>I ask any Catholic alive to
>come and interrogate me and
>see if my beliefs in
>any way parallel what the
>Catholic church teaches.
>
>You are ecumenical.
>
>Ted, Catholic does not equal ecumenical.
>
>You need to learn the difference.
>
>Ecumenism is such a horrible thing,
>isn't it? For all
>of God's people to come
>together to worship Him...
>

You are lying to the people again. You know that ecumenism involves far more than people coming together. The Antediluvians came together to worship God and annoy Noah. You know very well that ecumenism involves far more.

Under ecumenism no one can proselytize. Under it certain rules and regulations will be forced upon all the uniting bodies. They will have to give up their rights and their liberty of conscience. Separation of Church and State will be attacked and destroyed, opening the way for what it was given to prevent: religious persecution.

You tell me why to this day this nation has not consented to being ecumenical? You tell me why to this day the United States Churches find it horrible to come together and worship as you so lyingly proclaimed! Why are they so hateful and narrow-minded to this day Dr.!

Not only did your mother say that she is ecumenical, she said that she is globalistic. She has voiced her complaints against Separation of Church and State. The wise among us know very well that means that she favors religious persecution going hand in hand with Globalism.

>But, I do not espouse ecumenism
>either. There is no
>need to physicaly unite the
>body of Christ under one
>denomination, because we are already
>united under one Head, our
>Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
>
>
>May God deal gently with you.
>
>
>Patti

You are ecumenical and you do subscribe to the denominations uniting under one body. In case this irritates you, let me apply my "legalistic" skill in reiterating the truth I have just given here. Even all your language in also telling us that we must understand that people will disagree before you move in to tell us what we must accept, and how WE must believe this and WE must toss that, is very revealing. There is an element of force here.

These denominations will retain their individual names and doctrines, but those doctrines will be severely trimmed to accomodate the uniting. NO DENOMINATION OR PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED TO DENY UNITING WITH THIS ORGANIZATION. The greatest lies will be put to their characters and motives and ultimately they will be framed for crimes of hate and terrorism and will be persecuted wherever they go. That's the reason why Separation of Church and State is also attacked with all these movements which, like Nazism and Communism, make all kinds of sweet promises and dreams before entering in, deceiving and slaughtering.

So now, can we comment about Christ's Greatest Hits?

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