Hey,

Where's the answer to the point that tmac made? The point was Ellen White's greatest hits where she says that we must keep the commandments. Tmac responded with what he called "Christ's Greatest Hits" and put this scripture for our thought and focus:

>Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good >Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal >life?
>17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is >none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into >life, keep the commandments.
>18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no >murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, >Thou shalt not bear false witness,
>19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy >neighbour as thyself.

I have not been able to find a reply to this point. I want to know what the answer is here for this point!

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

Hello again,

You wrote:

>Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good >Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal >life?
>17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is >none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into >life, keep the commandments.
>18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no >murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, >Thou shalt not bear false witness,
>19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy >neighbour as thyself.

I have not been able to find a reply to this point. I want to know what the answer is here for this point!

Here is an answer

1) This man was a person that expected Jesus to pat him on the back for his works.
2) Jesus gave him an answer " keep the commandments" and then the man persisted, Which ones he asked? So that he could present himself as some one who was entitled to heaven through his good works.
3) Jesus then quoted him the the ones to keep
4) the man proudly announced he has kept them and asked what else he must do.
5)Jesus then stated somthing that this proud man couldn't do, he told him to sell all that he had give the money to the poor and follow him. in other words works will not get you in to heaven, Following Jesus will.

Now back to the "good" statement.

If one was to go back in to the scripture you will find that God is good and man is not. Jesus made this point because he knew what that man was going to say before he said it, after all he sees our hearts.

In Peace

Christy

Well said, Christy!
Amen!

Well, what the heck happend to susan or ted or who ever they were? I answerd the posts back and I can't get a response.I guess thats the way it goes.........They never see what you write back only what they write to you.

In peace

Christy

Christy, under the title "searching" shows us that she apparently has found everything we must know and do. She shows us the true meaning of Christ's greatest hits in Matthew 19:

Here is an answer

1) This man was a person that expected Jesus to pat him on the back for his works.
2) Jesus gave him an answer " keep the commandments" and then the man persisted, Which ones he asked? So that he could present himself as some one who was entitled to heaven through his good works.
3) Jesus then quoted him the the ones to keep
4) the man proudly announced he has kept them and asked what else he must do.
5)Jesus then stated somthing that this proud man couldn't do, he told him to sell all that he had give the money to the poor and follow him. in other words works will not get you in to heaven, Following Jesus will.

Now back to the "good" statement.

If one was to go back in to the scripture you will find that God is good and man is not. Jesus made this point because he knew what that man was going to say before he said it, after all he sees our hearts.

In Peace

Christy

&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&

Christy has just told us the solution to Ellen White's greatest hits without even knowing it here! Dr. Patti was all too willing to compliment her intelligence!

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

At first I was wrong, Now I am right? Didn't your church teach you that GOD is not the author of confusion?

LAST EDITED ON 08-31-01 AT 10:14 AM (GMT)

You asked a question and I gave you an answer,In your opinion I failed.

Here's a little food for thought,

Truths run adjacent to each other and never, never contradict.
Truth:
In the old testament the sabbath command was given in Exodus to the isrealites Ex 19:5 & Ex 31:13, And made it with them only not with their fathers before them Deut 5:2-3, You died if you broke it Ex 31:14, It is a covenant with Isreal only Ex 31:17
It is plainly listed under the feast laws Exodus 34:21, It is a covenant Ex 34:28. God listed it again with the 10 command.in Deut 5:15. God openly wished that there was such a heart in them that would KEEP his commandments and told Moses to teach all of his commands statutes and Judgements so they will do them in the land they were to posses Deut 5:29-33.
Moses broke the stone tables (smashed them)Deut. 9 and God made them again Deut. 10. God gave blessings and curses to those who did not keep them Deut 11:27. God said do not add to them or take away from them Duet 13:32. God will not forgive sins Joshua 24:19. God also gave the sabbath to the gentiles in the OT but the only people that ever got in trouble for breaking it were the Jews Neh. 13:15.

There is no question in my mind that there was a sabbth day in the OT.

The NT Dosen't say to keep it holy, or to keep it at all.Why would I say such a thing you ask? Because of this:

The SDA's taught me that "sabbath was made for man and not man for the sabbath" meant that it was a creational thing and we were obligated to keep it.And none of them can answer why God said what he did in Deut. 5:2-3, Their standard answer is because Ellen White saw in a vision that the 4th commnd. was illuminated above the rest and SHE believes that God told her it was from the begining And the bible says that Abraham kept his Commandments, One needs to READ what Abraham did, What the SDA's do not tell you is that GOD kept him from sinning against him Genisis 20:6. Sin is a transgression, period. a transgression from anything any one asks you to do, God did not say I kept you from transgressing MY LAW, SDA's have added to that by stating that the Law existed before Abraham, Whan in fact Abraham acted on what GOD told him to do at that time..One needs to Read that sentance carefully, If "not man for the sabbath" then how can that be a creational issue? God made man first didn't he? (He made it for the Isrealites and they couldn't keep it.)

They taught me that Jesus kept the sabbath and we should walk as he walked, He kept all the Jewish laws so did Paul he was Jewish and began killing christians that believed in Jesus before he was converted. That in it self was important enough for Him to write about. The bible tells us Jesus was born under the law to free us from it.He kept it all with out blemish.

The question here is: is the sabbath day a moral commandment or a ceremonial law . Read Romans 8:13, No matter what version you use it says the same thing, The sabbath command was absent from the summation of the moral (as SDA's call it) law. So, does that make it a ceremonial law? If so then Jesus did away with it.

I have also read another posters statment on this site, He said that Jesus didn't break the sabbath or he would have been put to death for it. I ask this........... They could find no fault in him, no guile in his mouth. Jesus didn't go around sinning to release us from our sins, Not one time could any one find him lieing, stealing, coveting, murdering, adultering, disrespecting his Mother or Father or worshiping any one but God the Father.

The Old testament is clear on the sabbath command from God, It says to keep in your place on the sabbath,( ask the Jewish religion today) Jesus was walking around picking food and encouraging his deciples to do so also. Didn't GOD say to "keep your foot from my sabbath." And not to tread on it? Jesus didn't abide by that commandment so therefore it is not part of the 10 commandments it is a ceremonial Law. The only Law that the Pharisees accused him of breaking, For you see he didn't break NOT ONE of the other nine, NOT ONCE.

There is to much contradiction in The NT about the sabbath to keep it. Jesus said he is the way the truth and the light, The truth is not contradictory and Jesus is not contradictory for he IS THE TRUTH, Why would he keep all the others and then break one? He didn't, there was nothing there to break. The Jews keep it and do not believe Jesus is the messia.To walk as Jesus walked is to love one another, It is easy to love some one that loves you back, Faith in him is what allows you to love the ones that don't. Love one another, That is the summation of the commandments as Paul said in Romans 8:13.

If you choose to be a SDA then that means that you believe in Ellen White and all she teaches, If you do not believe in her then your religion is naught, For there is no SDA religion with out Ellen White, The bible dosen't allow it. So in reality, who fails here?

Christy

Are you Ted's daughter or something?

>Are you Ted's daughter or something?
>

Is this a new topic for this discussion? or is it just a way to get out from dealing with it? If you were confident in what you were posting, the topic you now brought up would not be your interest.

If it is true that Christ's response to the question how a man must be saved is Matt. 19 because those asking Him were seeking to earn their way to heaven, what answer do you give to people who ask you that same question and are seeking to earn their way to heaven?

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

Susan you wrote:

If it is true that Christ's response to the question how a man must be saved is Matt. 19 because those asking Him were seeking to earn their way to heaven, what answer do you give to people who ask you that same question and are seeking to earn their way to heaven?

Answer:

The same thing he said, You can't be hung up on worldly things and follow Jesus. Haven't you ever heard of "let go and Let GOD?'
When you give it to him you can't keep pulling it back or you never gave it to him. It is a life long process, Paul said it was a race. Only through faith do you obtain works that please him and not before. That man not only was boasting of his works but he also exhibited coveting, He wouldn't let go of his wealth and Jesus knew this.

The topic says "Surely you jest." I was pointing out surely this one jests who dare to accept the name "searching" but demonstrates that there is just another despot here who appears to know all things including everything about opponents.

> Susan you wrote:
>
>
>If it is true that Christ's
>response to the question how
>a man must be saved
>is Matt. 19 because those
>asking Him were seeking to
>earn their way to heaven,
>what answer do you give
>to people who ask you
>that same question and are
>seeking to earn their way
>to heaven?
>
>
>Lying substitue for an Answer:
>
>The same thing he said, You
>can't be hung up on
>worldly things and follow Jesus.
>Haven't you ever heard of
>"let go and Let GOD?'
>
>When you give it to him
>you can't keep pulling it
>back or you never gave
>it to him. It is
>a life long process, Paul
>said it was a race.
>Only through faith do you
>obtain works that please him
>and not before. That man
>not only was boasting of
>his works but he also
>exhibited coveting, He wouldn't let
>go of his wealth and
>Jesus knew this.

This answer is not the answer that Christ gave. Can these servants of Christ proven by babbling give the same greatest hits that Christ gave?

So we see here that they told us Christ gave that answer because the one who asked believed in working his way into salvation. Now these who have accused God's Church of working its way into salvation do not give the same answer Christ gave.

The problem all started when the servant of not Christ came in with this line about Ellen White's Greatest Hits. Always willing to forget that we are to talk about concepts and not attack anything, we always see these superChristians in a realm where plain Christians just can never be at. There wouldn't be a problem if they were not committed to a religion of lies.

We are still waiting for an answer, but these who are always searching will tell us that they answered.

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

.

Susan, the man who was talking to Jesus was trying to earn his way to heaven. When you and Ted quoted that Bible story, you kind of left out the conclusion:

Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

Susan, a question for you. Do you think that the EGW quotes I brought up on this thread represent true Adventism?

Greg T.

LAST EDITED ON 08-30-01 AT 07:09 PM (GMT)

>Susan, the man who was talking
>to Jesus was trying to
>earn his way to heaven.

What! No Scripture?

If a man is trying to earn his way to heaven, do Gregg and Patti give them Christ's Greatest Hits? Do they respond with the words of Christ to make them more want to work their way into heaven?

>When you and Ted quoted
>that Bible story, you kind
>of left out the conclusion:
>

As if Gregg did not leave out the conclusions Ellen White came out with in many of her writings, including Steps to Christ:

>
>Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto
>him, If thou wilt be
>perfect, go and sell that
>thou hast, and give to
>the poor, and thou shalt
>have treasure in heaven: and
>come and follow me.
>22 But when the young
>man heard that saying, he
>went away sorrowful: for he
>had great possessions.
>
>Susan, a question for you. Do
>you think that the EGW
>quotes I brought up on
>this thread represent true Adventism?
>
>
>Greg T.

I am not sure if Gregg and Dr. Patti even give this answer to their followers. But they've asked me a question. Should I answer?

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

I see you've found a new alias to post under. Just imagine, Ted McMillan, Susan Williams, Emmanuel Clark and Glenn Wilkins all sleeping in the same bed. It must be an interesting sight.

LAST EDITED ON 08-31-01 AT 10:18 AM (GMT)

LAST EDITED ON 08-31-01 AT 08:47 AM (GMT)

well stated Greg

>I see you've found a new
>alias to post under. Just
>imagine, Ted McMillan, Susan Williams,
>Emmanuel Clark and Glenn Wilkins
>all sleeping in the same
>bed. It must be an
>interesting sight.

You forgot Trevor, and...!

At least they can get a restful sleep unlike the Jesuits who murder. Your posts make for not much studying. They appear to be everywhere and they lack variation. Even these posts going off the topic to close up the truth is nothing new.

Can we go back to the topic now and at least show one itty bitty thing that Christianity has benefited you?

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

Susan, Ted or who ever you are.....................

I noticed you got right on here to argue again but you won't answer my posts, I answerd all of yours.

Christy

LAST EDITED ON 09-01-01 AT 05:51 PM (GMT)

>Susan, Ted or who ever you
>are.....................
>
>I noticed you got right on
>here to argue again but
>you won't answer my posts,
>I answerd all of yours.
>
>
>
>
>Christy

Christy, Jesuit or whoever you are, I already noticed that you would claim to answer questions that you don't. That's why you post off the topic and talk about personalities. Thanks for confirming what we already know.

There was a reason you said that you answered my question, and I know that reason. How would anyone know that you answered if you do not lie that you have? You should change your name from "searching" to "found and own everything!"

Now, what was Christ's Greatest Hits again? When did you ever use the same words to some even legalist who wants to be saved? Even Ellen's words were not as laughably legalistic in the eyes of servants of Satan in Christ's robes as were Christs? What was the answer again?

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

Greg!
What good eyes you have!

My thoughts exactly, I used to be an SDA and I Know what lengths they will go to in order to get their message across, I think it is quite humerous that they use the same tactics thay accuse the Jesuits of. My old Historical SDA church would consider him a Jesuit.

In Peace

Christy

Why do "they" feel that it is OK to lie in order to defend their "truth"?

>Why do "they" feel that it
>is OK to lie in
>order to defend their "truth"?
>

I thought you already knew that they were legalists, hateful, mean-spirited and other good stuff. How come then you can't answer your own questions? Maybe you are just trying to look cute to all your heretic victims who do not understand where you all come from.

But I don't know why some people would even claim we must focus on Christ before they then attack God's people. When anyone then even mentions the smallest portion of your wickedness, you have not seen such hate!

Why do they tell lies? I can only conclude that it would look that way to liars.

Can we get back to the point and issue? for I don't know why you all would love to lie to defend your lies. I thought we were supposed to talk about the issues and not the person nor attack anyone. I can't understand where you all get such an ability to lie like that except through history.

What is this about Christ's Greatest Hits again?

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

I don't think they even understand what they are doing half the time.

In Peace

Christy

>I don't think they even understand
>what they are doing half
>the time.
>
>
>In Peace
>
>Christy

They do understand that you go by the name "searching" but then post as if you know everyone and everything except Christ.

but you have a chance to see if you know what you are doing ANYTIME.

The post was about Ellen White's Greatest Hits telling people that they have to be conformed to the Law of God. Christ told people that in order to be saved, they must do no murder, etc. and I can't seem to find an answer to Christ's Greatest Hits from people who falsely claim to know what they're doing.

You are attacking God's people and church. You preach against attacking others, but attacking others is an essential part of your religion and destiny. You surely don't know what you are doing.

In His Grace,

Susan Williams

>Greg!
>What good eyes you have!

Like yours and in sheeps' clothing yet!

What was the topic in discussion again here?

In His Grace!

Susan Williams

Not only that, though, this man should have realized very early on in the conversation that there was nothing he could do to inherit the kingdom of God, but he did not:

Matthew 19:15 When he had placed his hands on them, he went on from there.
16 Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?"
17 "Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

There is only One Who is God. And that is God.

"Man, who has defaced the image of God in his soul by a corrupt life, cannot, by mere human effort, effect a radical change in himself. He must accept the provisions of the gospel; he must be reconciled to God through obedience to his law and faith in Jesus Christ"

You are right. I am so glad you posted that! This is exactly where SDAism diverges from the Gospel.

1. They teach that we are "reconciled to God through obedience to His law and faith in Jesus Christ." This is legalistic and unscriptural.

Please show me a single text that says that we are reconciled to God by our obedience to His law. It is not even our faith that reconciles us! It is the finished, perfected, all-sufficient work, the life and death, of Jesus Christ.

2. We have been reconciled (past tense) to God already by the doing and dying of Jesus Christ.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
11 Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:
19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

We are already reconciled to God through the saving work of Jesus Christ. Jesus accomplished our full and complete salvation; He asks us to trust in His saving work. Why is it so difficult merely to trust in His promise to save us to the uttermost?

>"Man, who has defaced the image
>of God in his soul
>by a corrupt life, cannot,
>by mere human effort, effect
>a radical change in himself.
>He must accept the provisions
>of the gospel; he must
>be reconciled to God through
>obedience to his law and
>faith in Jesus Christ"
>
>
>You are right. I am
>so glad you posted that!
> This is exactly where
>SDAism diverges from the Gospel.
>
>
>1. They teach that
>we are "reconciled to God
>through obedience to His law
>and faith in Jesus Christ."
> This is legalistic
>and unscriptural.
>
>Please show me a single text
>that says that we are
>reconciled to God by our
>obedience to His law.
>It is not even our
>faith that reconciles us!
>It is the finished, perfected,
>all-sufficient work, the life and
>death, of Jesus Christ.
>

Dr. Patti, this hatred you have of the Adventist Church that interrupts your spiritual rest and celebration in Jesus Christ is already too much of an obsession! Dare you accuse me of having obsessions when I am not interested in you or your Mommy half as much as you have been commissioned to destroy God's Church?

Ellen White's greatest HITS is not that quoted by Greg Travilian. I don't exactly know what are Ellen White's greatest hits though I have the assumption that it must be the Great Controversy. Those hit a certain organization so bad, that it has commissioned posters to swarm the internet for dear life!

But since Dr. Patti tells us that the SDA Church strays from the Gospel because of the statement of Ellen White above, get a load of who else strays from the Gospel:

Matt. 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Of course Dr. Patti will find something to talk up her deceit here demonstrated. Have not they been telling us about scripture that can't be any clearer?

THE LAST WORD ON ADVENTIST TRUTH!

Since I am sure many of you are wondering why Ted here carries on and on about my mother, I thought I should enlighten you. My mother wrote a book, her autobiography, which discusses her break with SDAism. You can read her book (and all about me as a little girl! ) at the following address:

Pat Darnell's book

This single, unpublished book is what Ted calls Pat's "many books" concerning SDAism and part of why he is fixated on her. Now, I would truly appreciate you Catholics if you could read the last chapter and tell us honestly if there is any Catholic doctrine in it. In fact, I think you will find many things that denounce Catholic doctrine. (One thing you have failed to do, Ted, is to explain why emmissaries of the pope, Jesuit infiltrators, would speak out against the Catholic beliefs themselves, as I and my mother both have and do!)